Dotazy na DK

Postby **SwaCZa** » 16 Aug 2013, 17:53

O PvP si srandu nedělám. S PvE to myslím smrtelně vážně, jenom musíš nějak vyplnit ty chvíle kdy ti nic nesvítí a s tím už si nějak poradíš . A jestli chceš GUIDE na Blooda, tak to jedině alt+f4 a vyhodit notebook nebo PC z okna.

Kdyby tady Blood a hlavně mechanika Blood shieldu fungovala jak má, tak mi věř, že je to nejtěžší ze všech tanků co se týče ovládání...

Postby **Vatrix** » 16 Aug 2013, 18:29

A to fakt funguje? :O Ale díky za radu ;)

Postby **Raynar** » 16 Aug 2013, 18:33

SwaCZa, já myslel PvP Blooda :D

Postby **Semis** » 22 Aug 2013, 05:37

Kaslete na bloody a frosty hrajte unholy (predevsim pve) :D

Postby **Infekcia** » 31 Aug 2013, 06:37

Kdyby tady Blood a hlavně mechanika Blood shieldu fungovala jak má, tak mi věř, že je to nejtěžší ze všech tanků co se týče ovládání...

možeš mi aj presnejšie objasnit čo na blood shieldu nefunguje ???
čo som skušal ja tak 10,07% z Hp x % z masterky a vzdy mi to sedelo presne ....

Postby **SwaCZa** » 31 Aug 2013, 11:38

Stačí si přečíst tooltip:

Death Strike
1 Unholy, 1 Frost
Unleash a powerful strike that heals you for 20% of the damage you have sustained during the preceding 5 sec (minimum of at least 7% of your maximum health), while also dealing <yyy>% weapon damage plus <zzz> to an enemy if the attack is successful.

Moc pěkně je to vysvětleno např zde:

Zdroj: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2416208246#3

As can be seen from the tooltip, Death Strike’s healing breaks down into one of two categories, minimum or not, which can cause some confusion for players. The method of calculation is the same, but the result differs. Since this is referring primarily to Blood tanks, these calculations include Improved Death Strike, because if you don’t have it as a tank, go respec. Improved Death Strike doesn’t increase the size of the minimum heal, but it reduces the amount of healing needed to cross the minimum heal from 35% of your max HP to 24.1% of your max HP, so, it technically does work, despite what you may believe.

Here is how your base heal size is calculated:

1. First, the server calculates the damage you have taken in the previous 5 seconds.
2. Next, the server takes 29% of this value. (20%*145%=29%).
3. This calculated value is compared to 7% of your HP.
a. If 7% of your HP is greater than the calculated value, the server will set your heal to be 7% of your maximum HP.
b. If 7% of your HP is less than the calculated value, the server will set your heal to be the calculated value.
4. Heal value is set and used for Blood Shield. Blood shield is applied.
5. Any healing addition/reduction is applied to the heal value.
6. You are healed for that amount.

For numerical examples, let’s take a Death Knight who has 160k HP buffed with 130% mastery (20.8 mastery--decimals do count even if stats pane % doesn't change).

The following are simplifications of the calculations, which become more complicated when you add in previous shields / RNG and start to include the next DS mitigation set. This is purely for illustration, though.

4a. Minimum heal

Suppose a mob swings at you for 10k. Referring previously, you’re going to get probably 3-ish swings into your damage window. Given typical levels of avoidance, though, you’re probably going to avoid 1 of them. Let’s see what happens with avoiding 1 and taking the other 2 and going through the steps.

1. 10,000+0+10,000 = 20,000
2. 0.29 * 30,000 = 5,800
3. 0.07 * 160,000 = 11,200
a. 11,200 > 5,800
4. Heal value is 11,200. Blood Shield is applied and its size is 11,200 * 1.30 = 14,560.
5. No buffs/debuffs, so no modifiers to the heal.
6. You are healed for 11,200.

There is only one way to increase the base heal size: stamina.

There are two ways to increase this shield size: stamina and mastery. Going the stamina route, you are subjecting half of your bonus (the healing portion) to overheal for a slight gain if you don’t overheal more than ~20%. Given that if you’re getting the minimum heal already, you’re probably not taking a lot of damage, which means you’ll overheal more. Going the mastery route, you don’t see this penalty.

4b. Over minimum heal

Suppose a mob swings at you for 30k instead. Once again, 3 swings, 1 avoided.

1. 0+30,000+30,000 = 60,000
2. 0.29 * 60,000 = 17,400
3. 0.07 * 160,000 = 11,200
a. 11,200 < 17,400
4. Heal value is 17,400. Blood Shield is applied and its size is 17,400 * 1.30 = 22,620.
5. No buffs/debuffs, so no modifiers to the heal.
6. You are healed for 17,400.

There’s nothing you can do to increase this heal size before modifiers (except take more damage).

The only way to increase this shield size is mastery.

Takže:

1. Tankování v raidu - s tím jak se u nás hrají BDK (čti SPAM DS) : ne 10% ale skoro permanentně to procuje z minimum healu takže 7% základ.

2. v pvp s resilkou a blood presencí, taky to DK nedostane takovou dmg aby se dostal přes těch 7%.

Ale u nás je to nastaveno napevno na těch 10% což si nemyslím že je správně.

Na druhou stranu, heal z DS neprocuje při miss/dodge/parry, i když by měl.

Postby **OJaaaa** » 07 Sep 2013, 12:24

co ze je s tim Death Strikem v neporadku? spatne healuje? vzdyt jsem ten system na 406 psal.. :D

/edit: aha, uz to vidim, u nas je ten Improved Death Strike aplikovany trochu jinak. podle toho citovaneho postu by se mela kontrola tech minimalnich 7% presunout az za pridani toho bonusu z talentu.

ono to v tom tooltipu neni napsane explicitne. mne dava smysl to, ze kdyz zvysim healing DS (obecne) o nejake procento, tak tim zvysim i ten minimalni healing o stejne procento. tedy na 10,15% max HP. na druhou stranu rozumim tomu, jak je to mysleno v tom citovanem postu. ze tech 7% je minimalni hodnota a tato korekce se aplikuje az na konci.

Postby **Infekcia** » 07 Feb 2014, 10:04

V poslednej dobe nehram moc aktívne a po dlhšej odmlke som logol svoje Dékáčko a pár veci ma hned zarazilo.
Neviem či sa robili nejake extra zmeny na Dk okrem talentu Might of the frozen wastes ale par veci prestalo fungovat čo predtym normalne šli.
1: Horn of Winter nepridava 10 RP ani v combate ani mimo combatu
2: Empower rune weapon taktiež nepridava 25 RP
3: Dancing rune weapon prida 20% parry ale nemirroruje žiadny dmg z Dk a nehituje vobec

toto su prve take zmeny čo som si všimol.

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